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		<title>By: 22i design</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Asa, I really appreciate you taking the time to point that out.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s still an issue in late ver 2 Firefox releases as I&#039;ve not had the opportunity to beta test 3 yet. I&#039;m just hoping that 3 becomes stable soon enough to get Firefox back on its legs again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Asa, I really appreciate you taking the time to point that out.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still an issue in late ver 2 Firefox releases as I&#8217;ve not had the opportunity to beta test 3 yet. I&#8217;m just hoping that 3 becomes stable soon enough to get Firefox back on its legs again.</p>
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		<title>By: Asa Dotzler</title>
		<link>http://www.22i.co.uk/design-blog/firefox-is-crap#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Asa Dotzler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Nov 2007 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;ve got to the root of the problem that you and some other Firefox 3 Beta 1 testers are seeing.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Starting Tuesday, we began receiving reports, like yours, of a new memory/cpu usage issue that happens shortly after a normal startup and can spike the CPU and chew up hundreds of MB of RAM.  This is apparently happening to people with new profiles or in profiles that have a very outdated list of bad sites for the Phishing Protection feature and the Malware Protection feature.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;What&#039;s going on is that soon after Firefox is started, Firefox tries to fetch updates to the site forgery and malware lists -- the lists of bad sites that allows Firefox to warn users about suspected Phishing and Attack sites. If the profile has very outdated or no local lists, as is the case for a new Firefox profile, Firefox is trying to bring down these rather large lists in one big chunk rather than slowly in small chunks. This causes Firefox to consume large amounts of CPU and memory and can slow the users machine to a crawl.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This problem is due to the change in the &quot;SafeBrowsing Protocol&quot; which only affects Firefox 3 Beta 1 and nightly build users. If you&#039;re on Firefox 2, this isn&#039;t going to affect you.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The work-around for this problem was for us to throttle it on the server side. We&#039;ve done that and if you try Firefox 3 Beta 1 again, it should be fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;ve got to the root of the problem that you and some other Firefox 3 Beta 1 testers are seeing.</p>
<p>Starting Tuesday, we began receiving reports, like yours, of a new memory/cpu usage issue that happens shortly after a normal startup and can spike the CPU and chew up hundreds of MB of RAM.  This is apparently happening to people with new profiles or in profiles that have a very outdated list of bad sites for the Phishing Protection feature and the Malware Protection feature.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s going on is that soon after Firefox is started, Firefox tries to fetch updates to the site forgery and malware lists &#8212; the lists of bad sites that allows Firefox to warn users about suspected Phishing and Attack sites. If the profile has very outdated or no local lists, as is the case for a new Firefox profile, Firefox is trying to bring down these rather large lists in one big chunk rather than slowly in small chunks. This causes Firefox to consume large amounts of CPU and memory and can slow the users machine to a crawl.</p>
<p>This problem is due to the change in the &#8220;SafeBrowsing Protocol&#8221; which only affects Firefox 3 Beta 1 and nightly build users. If you&#8217;re on Firefox 2, this isn&#8217;t going to affect you.</p>
<p>The work-around for this problem was for us to throttle it on the server side. We&#8217;ve done that and if you try Firefox 3 Beta 1 again, it should be fine.</p>
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